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Not as a burden, luggage, etc. I noticed it as a way of a king/emperor to refer someone, does it mean to refer it as himself or the other person he talk to?

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Not as a burden, luggage, etc. I noticed it as a way of a king/emperor to refer someone, does it mean to refer it as himself or the other person he talk to?

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Yes. 朕. A first-person singular pronoun for an emperor. Something like a majestic plural in English.

In Imperial China and every monarchy within its cultural orbit (including Japan, Korea, and Vietnam), the majestic imperial pronoun was expressed by the character zhèn (朕) (Old Chinese: *lrəmʔ). This was in fact the former Chinese first-person singular pronoun (that is, “I.”). However, following his unification of China, the emperor Shi Huangdi arrogated it entirely for his personal use. All other speakers and writers were obliged to choose some deferential epithet (such as yú (愚), “this foolish one.”) instead of using the former pronoun. While this practice did not affect the non-Chinese countries as much since their variants of zhèn (朕) were generally imported loanwords, it nevertheless led to a polite avoidance of pronouns throughout East Asia. This still persists, except in China, following the May Fourth Movement and the Communist Party victory in the Chinese Civil War. In Modern Standard Mandarin, the first-person singular is wǒ (我), which gradually emerged from a common epithet expressing “this [worthless] body.”

_{from Wikipedia ― Royal “we”}

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짐이 백성의 뜻을 좇아 황제 위에 오르고자 천지에 고하노라.

_{from “대한 제국 (Korean Empire)” written by Joohyun Yoo (柳周鉉).}

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  我 and its cognate 吾 have been attested to mean “I, me” since Shang Dynasty oracle bones. I find this narrative about 朕 being replaced by 我 very wanting.
  
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Yes. 朕. A first-person singular pronoun for an emperor. Something like a majestic plural in English.

In Imperial China and every monarchy within its cultural orbit (including Japan, Korea, and Vietnam), the majestic imperial pronoun was expressed by the character zhèn (朕) (Old Chinese: *lrəmʔ). This was in fact the former Chinese first-person singular pronoun (that is, “I.”). However, following his unification of China, the emperor Shi Huangdi arrogated it entirely for his personal use. All other speakers and writers were obliged to choose some deferential epithet (such as yú (愚), “this foolish one.”) instead of using the former pronoun. While this practice did not affect the non-Chinese countries as much since their variants of zhèn (朕) were generally imported loanwords, it nevertheless led to a polite avoidance of pronouns throughout East Asia. This still persists, except in China, following the May Fourth Movement and the Communist Party victory in the Chinese Civil War. In Modern Standard Mandarin, the first-person singular is wǒ (我), which gradually emerged from a common epithet expressing “this [worthless] body.”

_{from Wikipedia ― Royal “we”}

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짐이 백성의 뜻을 좇아 황제 위에 오르고자 천지에 고하노라.

_{from “대한 제국 (Korean Empire)” written by Joohyun Yoo (柳周鉉).}

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  Hmm, "... it nevertheless led to a polite avoidance of pronouns throughout East Asia." sounds extremely [Citation Needed] to me. The quoted wikipedia paragraph seems.. well.. a bit fishy here and there.
  
  – jick
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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  我 and its cognate 吾 have been attested to mean “I, me” since Shang Dynasty oracle bones. I find this narrative about 朕 being replaced by 我 very wanting.
  
  – droooze
  45 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  

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Yes. 朕. A first-person singular pronoun for an emperor. Something like a majestic plural in English.

In Imperial China and every monarchy within its cultural orbit (including Japan, Korea, and Vietnam), the majestic imperial pronoun was expressed by the character zhèn (朕) (Old Chinese: *lrəmʔ). This was in fact the former Chinese first-person singular pronoun (that is, “I.”). However, following his unification of China, the emperor Shi Huangdi arrogated it entirely for his personal use. All other speakers and writers were obliged to choose some deferential epithet (such as yú (愚), “this foolish one.”) instead of using the former pronoun. While this practice did not affect the non-Chinese countries as much since their variants of zhèn (朕) were generally imported loanwords, it nevertheless led to a polite avoidance of pronouns throughout East Asia. This still persists, except in China, following the May Fourth Movement and the Communist Party victory in the Chinese Civil War. In Modern Standard Mandarin, the first-person singular is wǒ (我), which gradually emerged from a common epithet expressing “this [worthless] body.”

_{from Wikipedia ― Royal “we”}

---

짐이 백성의 뜻을 좇아 황제 위에 오르고자 천지에 고하노라.

_{from “대한 제국 (Korean Empire)” written by Joohyun Yoo (柳周鉉).}

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  Hmm, "... it nevertheless led to a polite avoidance of pronouns throughout East Asia." sounds extremely [Citation Needed] to me. The quoted wikipedia paragraph seems.. well.. a bit fishy here and there.
  
  – jick
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  我 and its cognate 吾 have been attested to mean “I, me” since Shang Dynasty oracle bones. I find this narrative about 朕 being replaced by 我 very wanting.
  
  – droooze
  45 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

Yes. 朕. A first-person singular pronoun for an emperor. Something like a majestic plural in English.

In Imperial China and every monarchy within its cultural orbit (including Japan, Korea, and Vietnam), the majestic imperial pronoun was expressed by the character zhèn (朕) (Old Chinese: *lrəmʔ). This was in fact the former Chinese first-person singular pronoun (that is, “I.”). However, following his unification of China, the emperor Shi Huangdi arrogated it entirely for his personal use. All other speakers and writers were obliged to choose some deferential epithet (such as yú (愚), “this foolish one.”) instead of using the former pronoun. While this practice did not affect the non-Chinese countries as much since their variants of zhèn (朕) were generally imported loanwords, it nevertheless led to a polite avoidance of pronouns throughout East Asia. This still persists, except in China, following the May Fourth Movement and the Communist Party victory in the Chinese Civil War. In Modern Standard Mandarin, the first-person singular is wǒ (我), which gradually emerged from a common epithet expressing “this [worthless] body.”

_{from Wikipedia ― Royal “we”}

---

짐이 백성의 뜻을 좇아 황제 위에 오르고자 천지에 고하노라.

_{from “대한 제국 (Korean Empire)” written by Joohyun Yoo (柳周鉉).}

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