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Dell XPS 15 9570 - How to control the fans?


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I'm running dualboot Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04 (using the respin from this link). Everything works properly, however the fans are continuously going on and off. The CPU temp is between 39 - 42 degrees celsius. I think the fans are activated somewhere within this range, then cool the CPU and thus get the signal again to stop the fans, etc. On Windows, the fans are completely off at idle or light work.



What I already did




  • lm_sensors: cannot find the fans even after "sudo sensors-detect"


  • i8kutils: Cannot find /prod/i8k


  • BIOS updated to version 1.5.0


  • Kernel is version 4.19.2-041902-generic


  • Installed and activated thermald, tlp, powertop and intel-microcode.



  • Set the graphics card to Intel for power-saving




    • "sudo prime-select intel"



  • Undervolt by -140 mV on core and CPU, and -40 mV on iGPU (using this link)


  • Installed smbios-utils and set it to different modes (balanced, cool-bottom, quiet, performance)


  • Disable fan BIOS control (see link)



All without any luck.



What I still want to do




  • Repasting


Stats



sudo tlp stat

+++ System Info

System = Dell Inc. XPS 15 9570
BIOS = 1.5.0
Release = Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
Kernel = 4.19.2-041902-generic #201811132032 SMP Tue Nov 13 20:34:19 UTC 2018 x86_64
/proc/cmdline = BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.2-041902-generic root=UUID=5394fef0-92d3-4753-a6a1-fd7b5c4f9cea ro quiet splash quiet acpi_rev_override=1 acpi_osi=Linux scsi_mod.use_blk_mq=1 nouveau.modeset=0 nouveau.runpm=0 mem_sleep_default=deep vt.handoff=1
Init system = systemd v237
Boot mode = UEFI

+++ Temperatures
CPU temp = 43 [°C]
Fan speed = (not available)


I guess that Ubuntu is unable to see the fans and is thus unable to take control over them. Any suggestions to gain control over them?










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    I'm running dualboot Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04 (using the respin from this link). Everything works properly, however the fans are continuously going on and off. The CPU temp is between 39 - 42 degrees celsius. I think the fans are activated somewhere within this range, then cool the CPU and thus get the signal again to stop the fans, etc. On Windows, the fans are completely off at idle or light work.



    What I already did




    • lm_sensors: cannot find the fans even after "sudo sensors-detect"


    • i8kutils: Cannot find /prod/i8k


    • BIOS updated to version 1.5.0


    • Kernel is version 4.19.2-041902-generic


    • Installed and activated thermald, tlp, powertop and intel-microcode.



    • Set the graphics card to Intel for power-saving




      • "sudo prime-select intel"



    • Undervolt by -140 mV on core and CPU, and -40 mV on iGPU (using this link)


    • Installed smbios-utils and set it to different modes (balanced, cool-bottom, quiet, performance)


    • Disable fan BIOS control (see link)



    All without any luck.



    What I still want to do




    • Repasting


    Stats



    sudo tlp stat

    +++ System Info

    System = Dell Inc. XPS 15 9570
    BIOS = 1.5.0
    Release = Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
    Kernel = 4.19.2-041902-generic #201811132032 SMP Tue Nov 13 20:34:19 UTC 2018 x86_64
    /proc/cmdline = BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.2-041902-generic root=UUID=5394fef0-92d3-4753-a6a1-fd7b5c4f9cea ro quiet splash quiet acpi_rev_override=1 acpi_osi=Linux scsi_mod.use_blk_mq=1 nouveau.modeset=0 nouveau.runpm=0 mem_sleep_default=deep vt.handoff=1
    Init system = systemd v237
    Boot mode = UEFI

    +++ Temperatures
    CPU temp = 43 [°C]
    Fan speed = (not available)


    I guess that Ubuntu is unable to see the fans and is thus unable to take control over them. Any suggestions to gain control over them?










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      I'm running dualboot Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04 (using the respin from this link). Everything works properly, however the fans are continuously going on and off. The CPU temp is between 39 - 42 degrees celsius. I think the fans are activated somewhere within this range, then cool the CPU and thus get the signal again to stop the fans, etc. On Windows, the fans are completely off at idle or light work.



      What I already did




      • lm_sensors: cannot find the fans even after "sudo sensors-detect"


      • i8kutils: Cannot find /prod/i8k


      • BIOS updated to version 1.5.0


      • Kernel is version 4.19.2-041902-generic


      • Installed and activated thermald, tlp, powertop and intel-microcode.



      • Set the graphics card to Intel for power-saving




        • "sudo prime-select intel"



      • Undervolt by -140 mV on core and CPU, and -40 mV on iGPU (using this link)


      • Installed smbios-utils and set it to different modes (balanced, cool-bottom, quiet, performance)


      • Disable fan BIOS control (see link)



      All without any luck.



      What I still want to do




      • Repasting


      Stats



      sudo tlp stat

      +++ System Info

      System = Dell Inc. XPS 15 9570
      BIOS = 1.5.0
      Release = Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
      Kernel = 4.19.2-041902-generic #201811132032 SMP Tue Nov 13 20:34:19 UTC 2018 x86_64
      /proc/cmdline = BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.2-041902-generic root=UUID=5394fef0-92d3-4753-a6a1-fd7b5c4f9cea ro quiet splash quiet acpi_rev_override=1 acpi_osi=Linux scsi_mod.use_blk_mq=1 nouveau.modeset=0 nouveau.runpm=0 mem_sleep_default=deep vt.handoff=1
      Init system = systemd v237
      Boot mode = UEFI

      +++ Temperatures
      CPU temp = 43 [°C]
      Fan speed = (not available)


      I guess that Ubuntu is unable to see the fans and is thus unable to take control over them. Any suggestions to gain control over them?










      share|improve this question
















      I'm running dualboot Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04 (using the respin from this link). Everything works properly, however the fans are continuously going on and off. The CPU temp is between 39 - 42 degrees celsius. I think the fans are activated somewhere within this range, then cool the CPU and thus get the signal again to stop the fans, etc. On Windows, the fans are completely off at idle or light work.



      What I already did




      • lm_sensors: cannot find the fans even after "sudo sensors-detect"


      • i8kutils: Cannot find /prod/i8k


      • BIOS updated to version 1.5.0


      • Kernel is version 4.19.2-041902-generic


      • Installed and activated thermald, tlp, powertop and intel-microcode.



      • Set the graphics card to Intel for power-saving




        • "sudo prime-select intel"



      • Undervolt by -140 mV on core and CPU, and -40 mV on iGPU (using this link)


      • Installed smbios-utils and set it to different modes (balanced, cool-bottom, quiet, performance)


      • Disable fan BIOS control (see link)



      All without any luck.



      What I still want to do




      • Repasting


      Stats



      sudo tlp stat

      +++ System Info

      System = Dell Inc. XPS 15 9570
      BIOS = 1.5.0
      Release = Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
      Kernel = 4.19.2-041902-generic #201811132032 SMP Tue Nov 13 20:34:19 UTC 2018 x86_64
      /proc/cmdline = BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.2-041902-generic root=UUID=5394fef0-92d3-4753-a6a1-fd7b5c4f9cea ro quiet splash quiet acpi_rev_override=1 acpi_osi=Linux scsi_mod.use_blk_mq=1 nouveau.modeset=0 nouveau.runpm=0 mem_sleep_default=deep vt.handoff=1
      Init system = systemd v237
      Boot mode = UEFI

      +++ Temperatures
      CPU temp = 43 [°C]
      Fan speed = (not available)


      I guess that Ubuntu is unable to see the fans and is thus unable to take control over them. Any suggestions to gain control over them?







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          I found a solution to my own problem.



          To see the fans with "lm_sensors"



          Add dell-smm-hwmon to modules



          sudo echo "options dell-smm-hwmon restricted=0 force=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/dell-smm-hwmon.conf
          sudo echo "dell-smm-hwmon" > /etc/modules
          sudo update-initramfs -u


          Reboot and the fans should be visible with



          sensors
          dell_smm-virtual-0
          Adapter: Virtual device
          fan1: 0 RPM
          fan2: 0 RPM


          To take over control of your fans



          Then follow this guide to install i8kutils



          sudo apt install i8kutils
          sudo echo "i8k" > /etc/modules
          sudo echo "options i8k force=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/i8k.conf


          Reboot



          sudo modprobe i8k force=1


          Configure i8kutils



          sudo gedit /etc/i8kmon.conf


          Finally, disable Dell BIOS Fan Control with this program by TomFreudenberg to let i8kutils take over.



          git clone https://github.com/TomFreudenberg/dell-bios-fan-control.git
          cd dell-bios-fan-control
          make
          sudo dell-bios-fan-control 0


          Simply run i8kmon to control your fans or try ik8fan to manually control your fans.



          i8kfan 2 2





          share|improve this answer
























          • What's inside your`/etc/i8kmon.conf file? When I try using the details I find in the blog post the fans start to work at double speed instead

            – amarchin
            Dec 26 '18 at 23:20











          • I just used the default configuration file. There are only three modes available: off, low speed, high speed.

            – J. Ehrling
            Jan 13 at 19:55



















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          A less intrusive method to get less temperature (and therefore no fans are required) is using powertop.



           cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/power/control # (on?. That is bad)
          sudo powertop --auto-tune
          cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/power/control # (auto?. That is good)


          In order to get the changes permanently, see How do I make Powertop changes permanent? . However, in the help of TLP it is said that 'attempting to apply powertop's --auto-tune settings on each boot will conflict with TLP'. By now, it is working fine for me (XPS 15 9570, bios 1.5).






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            Are the changes made by Dell BIOS Fan Control by TomFreudenberg written to the BIOS firmware ?
            I have a ubuntu/windows dual boot and would like to make sure that this linux configuration tweaks will not affect the fan control under windows.
            Thanks!



            EDIT: I meticulously applied all steps above and fans don't spin automatically when dell-bios-fan-control 0 is used, with i8kmon in daemon mode. My CPU temps went up to ~90°C while browsing the web and reading PDFs. Anything missing from this guide to make sure this works ?






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            I found a solution to my own problem.



            To see the fans with "lm_sensors"



            Add dell-smm-hwmon to modules



            sudo echo "options dell-smm-hwmon restricted=0 force=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/dell-smm-hwmon.conf
            sudo echo "dell-smm-hwmon" > /etc/modules
            sudo update-initramfs -u


            Reboot and the fans should be visible with



            sensors
            dell_smm-virtual-0
            Adapter: Virtual device
            fan1: 0 RPM
            fan2: 0 RPM


            To take over control of your fans



            Then follow this guide to install i8kutils



            sudo apt install i8kutils
            sudo echo "i8k" > /etc/modules
            sudo echo "options i8k force=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/i8k.conf


            Reboot



            sudo modprobe i8k force=1


            Configure i8kutils



            sudo gedit /etc/i8kmon.conf


            Finally, disable Dell BIOS Fan Control with this program by TomFreudenberg to let i8kutils take over.



            git clone https://github.com/TomFreudenberg/dell-bios-fan-control.git
            cd dell-bios-fan-control
            make
            sudo dell-bios-fan-control 0


            Simply run i8kmon to control your fans or try ik8fan to manually control your fans.



            i8kfan 2 2





            share|improve this answer
























            • What's inside your`/etc/i8kmon.conf file? When I try using the details I find in the blog post the fans start to work at double speed instead

              – amarchin
              Dec 26 '18 at 23:20











            • I just used the default configuration file. There are only three modes available: off, low speed, high speed.

              – J. Ehrling
              Jan 13 at 19:55
















            2














            I found a solution to my own problem.



            To see the fans with "lm_sensors"



            Add dell-smm-hwmon to modules



            sudo echo "options dell-smm-hwmon restricted=0 force=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/dell-smm-hwmon.conf
            sudo echo "dell-smm-hwmon" > /etc/modules
            sudo update-initramfs -u


            Reboot and the fans should be visible with



            sensors
            dell_smm-virtual-0
            Adapter: Virtual device
            fan1: 0 RPM
            fan2: 0 RPM


            To take over control of your fans



            Then follow this guide to install i8kutils



            sudo apt install i8kutils
            sudo echo "i8k" > /etc/modules
            sudo echo "options i8k force=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/i8k.conf


            Reboot



            sudo modprobe i8k force=1


            Configure i8kutils



            sudo gedit /etc/i8kmon.conf


            Finally, disable Dell BIOS Fan Control with this program by TomFreudenberg to let i8kutils take over.



            git clone https://github.com/TomFreudenberg/dell-bios-fan-control.git
            cd dell-bios-fan-control
            make
            sudo dell-bios-fan-control 0


            Simply run i8kmon to control your fans or try ik8fan to manually control your fans.



            i8kfan 2 2





            share|improve this answer
























            • What's inside your`/etc/i8kmon.conf file? When I try using the details I find in the blog post the fans start to work at double speed instead

              – amarchin
              Dec 26 '18 at 23:20











            • I just used the default configuration file. There are only three modes available: off, low speed, high speed.

              – J. Ehrling
              Jan 13 at 19:55














            2












            2








            2







            I found a solution to my own problem.



            To see the fans with "lm_sensors"



            Add dell-smm-hwmon to modules



            sudo echo "options dell-smm-hwmon restricted=0 force=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/dell-smm-hwmon.conf
            sudo echo "dell-smm-hwmon" > /etc/modules
            sudo update-initramfs -u


            Reboot and the fans should be visible with



            sensors
            dell_smm-virtual-0
            Adapter: Virtual device
            fan1: 0 RPM
            fan2: 0 RPM


            To take over control of your fans



            Then follow this guide to install i8kutils



            sudo apt install i8kutils
            sudo echo "i8k" > /etc/modules
            sudo echo "options i8k force=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/i8k.conf


            Reboot



            sudo modprobe i8k force=1


            Configure i8kutils



            sudo gedit /etc/i8kmon.conf


            Finally, disable Dell BIOS Fan Control with this program by TomFreudenberg to let i8kutils take over.



            git clone https://github.com/TomFreudenberg/dell-bios-fan-control.git
            cd dell-bios-fan-control
            make
            sudo dell-bios-fan-control 0


            Simply run i8kmon to control your fans or try ik8fan to manually control your fans.



            i8kfan 2 2





            share|improve this answer













            I found a solution to my own problem.



            To see the fans with "lm_sensors"



            Add dell-smm-hwmon to modules



            sudo echo "options dell-smm-hwmon restricted=0 force=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/dell-smm-hwmon.conf
            sudo echo "dell-smm-hwmon" > /etc/modules
            sudo update-initramfs -u


            Reboot and the fans should be visible with



            sensors
            dell_smm-virtual-0
            Adapter: Virtual device
            fan1: 0 RPM
            fan2: 0 RPM


            To take over control of your fans



            Then follow this guide to install i8kutils



            sudo apt install i8kutils
            sudo echo "i8k" > /etc/modules
            sudo echo "options i8k force=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/i8k.conf


            Reboot



            sudo modprobe i8k force=1


            Configure i8kutils



            sudo gedit /etc/i8kmon.conf


            Finally, disable Dell BIOS Fan Control with this program by TomFreudenberg to let i8kutils take over.



            git clone https://github.com/TomFreudenberg/dell-bios-fan-control.git
            cd dell-bios-fan-control
            make
            sudo dell-bios-fan-control 0


            Simply run i8kmon to control your fans or try ik8fan to manually control your fans.



            i8kfan 2 2






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            • What's inside your`/etc/i8kmon.conf file? When I try using the details I find in the blog post the fans start to work at double speed instead

              – amarchin
              Dec 26 '18 at 23:20











            • I just used the default configuration file. There are only three modes available: off, low speed, high speed.

              – J. Ehrling
              Jan 13 at 19:55



















            • What's inside your`/etc/i8kmon.conf file? When I try using the details I find in the blog post the fans start to work at double speed instead

              – amarchin
              Dec 26 '18 at 23:20











            • I just used the default configuration file. There are only three modes available: off, low speed, high speed.

              – J. Ehrling
              Jan 13 at 19:55

















            What's inside your`/etc/i8kmon.conf file? When I try using the details I find in the blog post the fans start to work at double speed instead

            – amarchin
            Dec 26 '18 at 23:20





            What's inside your`/etc/i8kmon.conf file? When I try using the details I find in the blog post the fans start to work at double speed instead

            – amarchin
            Dec 26 '18 at 23:20













            I just used the default configuration file. There are only three modes available: off, low speed, high speed.

            – J. Ehrling
            Jan 13 at 19:55





            I just used the default configuration file. There are only three modes available: off, low speed, high speed.

            – J. Ehrling
            Jan 13 at 19:55













            0














            A less intrusive method to get less temperature (and therefore no fans are required) is using powertop.



             cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/power/control # (on?. That is bad)
            sudo powertop --auto-tune
            cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/power/control # (auto?. That is good)


            In order to get the changes permanently, see How do I make Powertop changes permanent? . However, in the help of TLP it is said that 'attempting to apply powertop's --auto-tune settings on each boot will conflict with TLP'. By now, it is working fine for me (XPS 15 9570, bios 1.5).






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              A less intrusive method to get less temperature (and therefore no fans are required) is using powertop.



               cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/power/control # (on?. That is bad)
              sudo powertop --auto-tune
              cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/power/control # (auto?. That is good)


              In order to get the changes permanently, see How do I make Powertop changes permanent? . However, in the help of TLP it is said that 'attempting to apply powertop's --auto-tune settings on each boot will conflict with TLP'. By now, it is working fine for me (XPS 15 9570, bios 1.5).






              share|improve this answer


























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                0







                A less intrusive method to get less temperature (and therefore no fans are required) is using powertop.



                 cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/power/control # (on?. That is bad)
                sudo powertop --auto-tune
                cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/power/control # (auto?. That is good)


                In order to get the changes permanently, see How do I make Powertop changes permanent? . However, in the help of TLP it is said that 'attempting to apply powertop's --auto-tune settings on each boot will conflict with TLP'. By now, it is working fine for me (XPS 15 9570, bios 1.5).






                share|improve this answer













                A less intrusive method to get less temperature (and therefore no fans are required) is using powertop.



                 cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/power/control # (on?. That is bad)
                sudo powertop --auto-tune
                cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/power/control # (auto?. That is good)


                In order to get the changes permanently, see How do I make Powertop changes permanent? . However, in the help of TLP it is said that 'attempting to apply powertop's --auto-tune settings on each boot will conflict with TLP'. By now, it is working fine for me (XPS 15 9570, bios 1.5).







                share|improve this answer












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                    Are the changes made by Dell BIOS Fan Control by TomFreudenberg written to the BIOS firmware ?
                    I have a ubuntu/windows dual boot and would like to make sure that this linux configuration tweaks will not affect the fan control under windows.
                    Thanks!



                    EDIT: I meticulously applied all steps above and fans don't spin automatically when dell-bios-fan-control 0 is used, with i8kmon in daemon mode. My CPU temps went up to ~90°C while browsing the web and reading PDFs. Anything missing from this guide to make sure this works ?






                    share|improve this answer





















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                    Are the changes made by Dell BIOS Fan Control by TomFreudenberg written to the BIOS firmware ?
                    I have a ubuntu/windows dual boot and would like to make sure that this linux configuration tweaks will not affect the fan control under windows.
                    Thanks!



                    EDIT: I meticulously applied all steps above and fans don't spin automatically when dell-bios-fan-control 0 is used, with i8kmon in daemon mode. My CPU temps went up to ~90°C while browsing the web and reading PDFs. Anything missing from this guide to make sure this works ?






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                    Are the changes made by Dell BIOS Fan Control by TomFreudenberg written to the BIOS firmware ?
                    I have a ubuntu/windows dual boot and would like to make sure that this linux configuration tweaks will not affect the fan control under windows.
                    Thanks!



                    EDIT: I meticulously applied all steps above and fans don't spin automatically when dell-bios-fan-control 0 is used, with i8kmon in daemon mode. My CPU temps went up to ~90°C while browsing the web and reading PDFs. Anything missing from this guide to make sure this works ?






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                    Are the changes made by Dell BIOS Fan Control by TomFreudenberg written to the BIOS firmware ?
                    I have a ubuntu/windows dual boot and would like to make sure that this linux configuration tweaks will not affect the fan control under windows.
                    Thanks!



                    EDIT: I meticulously applied all steps above and fans don't spin automatically when dell-bios-fan-control 0 is used, with i8kmon in daemon mode. My CPU temps went up to ~90°C while browsing the web and reading PDFs. Anything missing from this guide to make sure this works ?







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